>> let's just say your cbs poll of your viewers was brilliant. clearly, it stopped the romney momentum. clearly, joe biden fights for real people. he clearly has a heart for real people. he had passion. he was relatable. i think he did what he had to do. >> but 82 times interrupting congressman ryan did he come off as rude? >> i don't think so. i mean again, your poll shows that he came off as more relatable. and he couldn't just let misstatements lie there. he had to step in. otherwise, the -- >> let me come back to the question. the next debate is now becoming much more crucial. what did it do for the race between romney and obama? >> i think -- first of all, i think each guy did what they had to do. paul ryan, this is his first big national moment. he was 2 years old when biden became a u.s. senator. biden has had a lifetime to be a national figure. last night in 90 minutes, paul ryan, much more than just the nomination, he began somebody -- your own poll showed people thought he was knowledgeable, competent, capable. so ryan is doing better.